Tablo OTA DVR

After thinking about it for a long time, then buying an indoor TV antenna that worked fairly well, I decided to cut the cord and abandon cable TV, replacing it with a system for receiving over the air (OTA) broadcasts and recording them on a digital video recorder (DVR). I picked Tablo over some of the other options because it seemed to offer a little more versatility than Tivo and was still pretty advanced and reliable. I ordered it from Best Buy and got it this week. At $200 it isn’t a horrible price up front, but there are other costs associated with it. One is they charge $5 per month for the programming guide which not only tells you what programs are coming up, but also helps you record them, record a series of shows, customize the start and stop times, etc. It seems essential to have the guide. You can also pay $50 per year for the guide or a one-time fee of $150 for lifetime guide support. I’m leaning towards doing the 1-year guide and if it works out and I keep using it, getting the lifetime. I don’t have to decide right away because it comes with the first month guide for free.

Also the Tablo does not connect to your TV’s HDMI port like a Tivo. Instead it connects to your home computer network via ethernet or wifi and you can watch shows on your phones or tablets via apps, cast shows to your TV via those devices, or gets apps for your TV. Unfortunately, Tablo seems mostly locked out of the TV app market so you have to buy a Roku, Apple TV, or Amazon Fire TV stick or box to have the apps and then play the shows on the TV.

The scan for over the air channels

I got my box in a couple of days. It is pretty small, 5 inches square and less than 2 inches tall. It has 64 GB of memory built in so you don’t have to hook up a hard drive immediately, but you can hook up a portable USB hard drive, which I did eventually using an extra 320 GB hard drive I had lying around (I have a 2 TB drive hooked up to my cable box now, so that will be available in a couple of weeks). I was getting pretty good reception in the bay window in the back of my house which points towards Atlanta, so to start with I just plugged in the antenna and power to the Tablo. Then on my iPad I downloaded the Tablo app. It didn’t find a Tablo connected to my wifi network because it wasn’t set up yet, but the Tablo was broadcasting its own wifi network that I could have the iPad connect to. Then it asked me for my wifi password and we were off to the races. Once connected to wifi, I could use the app, download the program guide and updates, etc. First, again using the iPad app, I had it scan for broadcast channels. There are a bunch of them! And they are almost all worthless junk of home shopping, foreign language programming, religious channels, and filler. However, there are also the big 4 networks, Peachtree TV, the CW channel, and two PBS stations. Channel 8 is on Stone Mountain which is the opposite direction of all the other stations, so I can either get it clearly or all of the other channels, so I may have to rely on Channel 30 for PBS. Getting good reception is absolutely critical to the whole thing and the hardest thing to achieve. The app shows signal strength for each channel and 5 green circles is the best. 3 yellow circles is pretty bad and a red circle probably won’t even tune in. There are no 2 or 4 circle ratings, which is unfortunate because sometimes even with 5 green circles, you get glitches in the signal (so it seems like that should be 4). Once I narrowed it down to those 8 channels, it showed me a grid of icons for different shows, not sorted by time or channel. That’s kind of a neat approach and the whole app is pretty slick like that, making itself seem more like a streaming service like Vudu than a wonky do it yourself recording effort.

Showing all primetime shows

However, it is not exactly speedy. First, once you start the app, it takes 30 seconds or so for the Tablo to boot or show up on the screen. Even with so few channels I was interested in, it still takes a while for the channel guide to load (and trying to advance through the day is pretty slow because the guide doesn’t seen to be preloaded and can’t go past 24 hours apparently) and if you want to watch live TV, it takes at least 15 seconds to tune a channel, buffer the broadcast, and start showing. It isn’t good for channel surfing. I set it up to record a show at the next half hour, which turned out to be Jeopardy. But now that it had become self aware, it realized that it needed some firmware updates, so it had to download those and reboot a couple of times, which didn’t take but a few minutes. The reception is perfect. Everything except Channel 8 had come in at maximum strength. I could easily watch shows on the iPad or on my phone after downloading the Android version of the app. The strength of the wifi signal was strong enough that I could walk all over the house without the show ever breaking up. Something I had read said there was not a 30-second skip for commercials, but the iPad app definitely has that available (it may depend on which platform the app is running, so iOS has it anyway). Here’s a screenshot I took later from the iPad:

Now playing which includes a 30-second skip button

It was more challenging getting the TVs on board. My back room TV is a 42-inch Toshiba HDTV whose only “smart” function is that it has Chromecast built in. I have been able to cast shows from my phone’s Netflix app to the TV pretty easily, but I was not seeing the Chromecast icon in the Tablo app. This may be because the TV wasn’t on. Once the TV was on, the icon appeared and I could cast to the TV. With the TV remote I can pause a broadcast, but once I was casting in the app I couldn’t stop the connection. If I clicked the Chromecast icon again, the app quit suddenly (but the show kept playing). Something I read said you could only cast to TV using an Android tablet, not a phone, so maybe this isn’t entirely implemented yet. It was the only thing so far that didn’t work well, but it is pretty critical because casting is the only way I have of getting a signal to that TV (unless I buy a Roku or something).

Showing the “Live TV” program guide

My main TV does not do Chromecast, but the HiSense comes with the usual apps including one for Amazon, but it is just to watch Amazon Prime videos, not load Amazon apps (of which Tablo is one). There is no Tablo app built in to the TV and I don’t think you can add apps. My Samsung DVD player which is connected to that TV also has apps, but again, no Tablo, not even to download. The TV does come with “Anyview Cast” which is supposed to let you cast from your phone, laptop, etc. to the TV. Not sure how this works. I think I got it to work on my laptop once, but it just mirrors the laptop screen, which is less than HD, so the results blown up don’t look that good. I can connect the TV as an external monitor to the laptop via HDMI, which looks great, but it is pretty clumsy having a cord and setting that up every time. The iPad only seems to want to cast using Apple TV. There was an iPad app that could do Anyview casting, but I didn’t want to pay for something that might not work. So I probably need to get a Roku which seems to be what most people use with Tablo and their TV. The cheap Roku Express ($30) may not work, meaning I might have to get a more expensive Roku Stick ($50) or Stick+ ($50, but usually $70). The Stick+ supports UHD, even though the Tablo is only HD, but if I’m going to have Roku and cut cords, maybe using the Roku for Hulu or something could use the UHD capability (the TV’s native Netflix app is UHD, but not its Vudu app, and it doesn’t have Hulu at all). With the 5% rewards for putting the Tablo on my Best Buy credit card, I could get $10 off the Roku, plus I have another $5 in rewards coming with my next credit card statement. In the meantime, I still have cable until March 12, so this isn’t pressing. To keep things cheap, I could get the Amazon Fire TV stick for $30 (normally $40 and, like the Roku Express, not UHD) and it is available at Best Buy too so I can use the rewards to get it down to $15. Amazon makes a UHD version of the Fire TV, but people are saying it doesn’t get along with the Tablo app, so that’s not a good choice at the moment. Walmart sells a box called a Xiaomi Mi Box which is UHD and only $69 ($58 on sale).

Showing information for a show with recording choices

So everything was working pretty well. I hooked up my 320 GB external drive so I wouldn’t have to worry about managing the 64 GB of built-in storage on the Tablo. You can record at different resolutions. If you were only going to watch shows on a phone, you wouldn’t need much resolution, but for a bigger screen, you want full resolution. Sort of. Most HD channels broadcast in 720p or 1080i (never more than that). By default the Tablo records at 720p, but also offers 1080i and 1080p. Ideally, it would record 720p channels at 720p and 1080i channels at 1080i, but that isn’t a choice. Instead, if you record at 1080i, it will upscale the 720p picture to 1080, but throw away every other frame that 720p offers. So the only way to get the best of everything is to always record at 1080p, but the bandwidth for that is 10 Mbps, which means a 1-hour show is 4.5 GB. My 320 GB hard drive can only hold 66 hours of TV at 1080p. At 720p, it can hold twice that. For now I picked 1080i, which will give me 83 hours. For most shows, I won’t store them long term, so by telling it to keep only the 5 most recent shows, it should manage itself pretty well. If you don’t already have a hard drive that you can erase and use, buying one for $60 or so would be another expense.

Showing all recorded shows

The other thing is the wifi bandwidth. I have a 802.11n router, which is capable of maybe 70 Mbps, but realistically on my 75 Mbps internet connection, I see about 20 Mbps on my living room laptop over wifi a couple of rooms away from the router. My worry is that if the Tablo has to transmit a show to my router and then to my computer, that would double the wifi usage using too much of the available wifi bandwidth. So it might work better to have the Tablo connected directly to the router with ethernet so that wifi is only being used from the router to the laptop (or TV). I even thought about possibly having AT&T run the internet to where the living room TV is now so all of that can use a direct connection, but with TV reception better at the back of the house, maybe that’s where I want to keep the router.

I wound up moving the Tablo closer to the router so I connect it via an ethernet cable, which meant getting maybe a little worse reception from the antenna, however, by putting the antenna in the window, I am back to max strength on all channels except 8. Even though the Tablo isn’t using much internet bandwidth, I think household wifi bandwidth could be a real issue especially with families where several people might be using the network at the same time. However for me it works out fine. If I had to upgrade my wifi router to something heavier duty that could easily be another $100. Watching TV on the iPad is kind of neat, but not something I will probably do that often (you can also set up the Tablo to allow logging in remotely and watching your shows from elsewhere on the internet).

In terms of cost, I am able to drop cable television which was costing about $35 per month, but of that $35, only $7 (recently went up to $8) was for local channels and I will be paying about $4 for the program guide. So in some ways, I am saving very little money. But by dropping cable altogether, I am saving about $30 per month, meaning it should pay for itself in a year.

9 thoughts on “Tablo OTA DVR”

  1. Tuesday is my last day of cable. Apparently when I wrote the post above, there were some pretty good sales on streaming devices and I missed them by waiting for my Best Buy rewards to show up (maybe tomorrow). But the Amazon Fire TV stick was on sale to Prime members for only $25, so Mom had one sent to me since I don’t do Prime and I didn’t want to pay the full $40. The Amazon stick is HD only, not UHD (or 4K) but my TV has a UHD screen. For the Tablo it doesn’t matter since its maximum resolution is 1080p anyway, but if I use the stick for other services, maybe UHD would be good. I can cast to the back room TV (which really I only use when I’m exercising and have been casting Netflix to it) but maybe if a good sale comes along for a UHD streaming device, I will move the Fire TV stick to the back TV which is 1080p anyway. Amazon has a sale on their UHD Fire TV device for only $45 (instead of $70), but people reported problems with stutter using it with Tablo. The Roku is good and probably better for things other than Tablo (also a little more expensive), but I was worried it didn’t have a 30-second skip to help fast forward past commercials. I think the Fire TV only does 20 second skip, but that should be okay. Another possibility would be the Xiaomi Mi Box streaming device which runs Android TV in UHD and is $69 at Walmart ($57.50 on sale).

    Meanwhile I’m trying to watch as many movies recorded with my Cable TV box as possible since it cuts off soon. I have over 100 movies on there, but nothing I was in that big of a hurry to see or else I would have watched it already. Once the cable is cut off I can start watching some of my Blu-rays I haven’t watched yet (about 50) and I have been buying some digital copies of movies pretty cheaply online that I could watch. So even though I will be limited to over the air channels, I should have plenty to watch.

  2. AT&T came out to install internet service today. They had to do a whole new installation because they were installing fiber and my old installation from a few years ago was wire. I’m not sure why I need fiber for 50 Mbps service, but as long as it works, I’m happy. They also included a wifi router which uses 802.11ac, offering great coverage of the house and maximum speeds everywhere (really maximum, like 60 Mbps).

    Then I got a call from the Amazon delivery person looking for my house, so very soon thereafter I had the Fire TV stick which was registered to Mom out of the box, but it let me change it to my account. I downloaded the Tablo app and was able to watch shows I had recorded on my main TV. So yay! Everything works and I have cut the cable cord. The app on Fire TV has a 20-second skip. You click the fast forward button, it freezes the picture, and it shows you a thumbnail of the screen in 20 seconds, then you keep pressing and advancing and when the thumbnail shows you are back to your program, you press play. It’s an extra step pressing play, but the thumbnail preview is pretty neat.

    I plugged the stick into the TV, but the way I have everything set up I would rather connect it to my AV receiver which then connects to the TV (like the Blu-ray player and soon to be gone cable box), so I will have to try that next. Edit: I tried it and it worked just fine except I had to play around a little to get the best reception to wifi. Also the stick is hidden behind the TV so it does not use infra-red like most remotes. That is great except it means my Harmony 650 remote won’t work with it since it only does IR.

    Also I guess because I connected my Amazon account to Movies Anywhere, a lot of my digital movies can be watched through the Fire TV stick. That’s not really all that useful since I already had access to everything via the Vudu app built in to the TV, but I forgot that I had even linked Amazon to that.

  3. I was watching some shows from Tablo that I had recorded and noticed some skipping and pixelaltion. I checked the signal strength of the Fire TV stick (now plugged in to the receiver instead of the TV) and it was switching between fair and good. I made sure it was connected securely and repositioned it a little and the strength was now switching between good and strong, so that should be fine. Watching the same show on my iPad got the same results, so I don’t think it is the Fire TV stick or the signal, but was actually recorded that way. So that means it is a reception issue. The window near the router may not get as good reception as I was getting in the bay window, but I was worried about the wifi bandwidth if the Tablo wasn’t directly connected to the router. Since the bandwidth with the AT&T 802.11ac router is better than my old 802.11n router, maybe it won’t matter, so I will try moving the antenna back to the bay window and connecting to the network over wifi. If the reception is really better there but I get a wifi bandwidth issue, I could just use a longer cord to the router (or antenna).

  4. After moving the antenna back to the bay window, reception is very good, even for Channel 8. I disconnected the Xfinity box and its external hard drive from my main TV and reprogrammed my Harmony 650 remote for the new setup (though it can’t control the Fire TV since that remote uses bluetooth). I took the 2 TB hard drive out of the enclosure I had been using with the Xfinity box (because it needed a SATA connection) and put it back in its original enclosure, found the AC adapter after looking for a long time, and that is working, but I think I may leave the 350 GB drive hooked up to the Tablo for the moment. With Xfinity I was storing a lot of movies and entire series from HBO and other premium channels, but with the Tablo, I am storing broadcast series and just keeping the last 5 episodes. So I shouldn’t need that much storage.

    I also found a PBS app via Fire TV and since I already donated money to PBS, I am allowed to get their Passport premium service which includes a few more shows.

    So far things are working out great. I would still like to get a second streaming box for the TV in the back, which would let me stop casting to it from my phone. I know I can get a good deal if I wait, but I hate waiting.

  5. I’m still getting some skipping on at least the CW channel, but I don’t really watch anything on that channel. Even a little skipping completely ruins a show. The Tablo app on the iPad has started getting stuck pretty frequently when watching shows on it, which is very disappointing, because that’s kind of nice for watching TV in my bedroom.

  6. The Fire TV Stick went on sale at Amazon for a couple of days, marked down to $30 from $40. I checked Best Buy and they had the same price, so I went up there and got it for $15 after using my $15 in rewards (the rewards are extra nice because they take it off before figuring sales tax, which they don’t do with gift cards). This way both TV’s will operate the same way and I won’t have to cast to the back room TV from my phone. Took a while to set it up. It would be nice if Amazon could do the same setup as I had on my other Fire TV Stick since they are both registered to the same account.

  7. Tablo introduced a new receiver called a Tablo Lite with a price of only $140. It seems to be the same as the one I paid $200 for, but lacks the 64GB of memory. Meanwhile my trial programming guide expired after a month and I think the machine is much less usable being able to see only 24 hours in advance, so I bought a subscription for $50 for 1 year. I am noticing issues with the sound not in sync with the video, not just on Tablo, but Netflix via Fire TV. I plugged the Fire TV directly into the TV which seems to have mostly fixed the problem with Tablo, but the TV only seems to output stereo sound.

  8. I have had Tablo for a year now and everything has gone pretty well. I still get occasional reception problems and finally just had to take Channel 8 off of my list because it would never get a decent signal. However, it seems to get the other PBS station, Channel 30, fine plus I found out I have access via Fire TV to a PBS app because I donate, and the streaming works pretty well. I tried Hulu out for a little while but it seems to be like Netflix only with commercials, so I cancelled it even though it was only 99 cents a month for the first year. I also have Netflix and use it sometimes.

    I had ordered the Tablo program guide for one year for $50, but in the middle of the night this week I got a notice from them that they had renewed that fee for another year. They never told me it was about to expire and I had been thinking I would maybe get the lifetime plan for $150. My credit card flagged the charge so I responded that it wasn’t authorized, but they let it through anyway. I was going to cancel and get a refund at Tablo, but they say if you cancel, you don’t get any money back. So I will stick with Tablo this year, cancelled effective April 2020, and swapped my credit card info to a temporary card number that expires in a couple of months (no way to remove it online). I also sent two requests to Tablo via their website yesterday, the first to reverse the subscription fee and the second to remove my credit card info so they couldn’t charge me again. However both responses (took more than 24 hours) just said to call their phone number. So Tablo customer service is horrible and I would warn people away from them just on that basis. But other than that, everything has been okay. I am still using my 350 GB hard drive which works pretty well since I am mostly just saving TV shows and set it to only keep the most recent 5 episodes. I have accumulated some movies and specials which are kind of cluttering it up, so the drive is full, but nothing is really critical as it removes the oldest recordings to make room for new ones.

  9. I was able to renew my internet plan for another year without having to get TV, so I thought I would go ahead and get the lifetime plan from Tablo for $150. That also protects me from any price increases. I like Tablo, but reception is still iffy using my indoor antenna. Plus I’m not positive my wifi coverage in the house is always strong enough to send a signal from the tablo box in the back of the house to the router in the front of the house and then to my back room TV (my front room TV plugs directly into the router). The local NBC station is about the only one with a consistently reliable signal, but that is the one I use the most for Seth Meyers and NBC News.

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